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jakncoke
04-15-2009, 10:36 PM
Do You Think Bandwidth Grows on Trees?
User-generated content may have changed the Internet, but sites like YouTube are suffocating under the costs of storing it.
By Farhad Manjoo
Posted Tuesday, April 14, 2009, at 6:17 PM ET

Everyone knows that print newspapers are our generation's horse-and-buggy; in the most wired cities, they've been pummeled by competition from the Web. But it might surprise you to learn that one of the largest and most-celebrated new-media ventures is burning through cash at a rate that makes newspapers look like wise investments. It's called YouTube: According a recent report by analysts at the financial-services company Credit Suisse, Google will lose $470 million on the video-sharing site this year alone. To put it another way, the Boston Globe, which is on track to lose $85 million in 2009, is five times more profitable—or, rather, less unprofitable—than YouTube. All so you can watch this helium-voiced oddball whenever you want.
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As Benjamin Wayne, the CEO of the rival video-streaming company Fliqz, pointed out in a recent article for Silicon Alley Insider, not even Google can long sustain a company that's losing close to half a billion dollars a year.

YouTube's problems point to a larger difficulty for many Web startups: "User-generated content" is proving to be a financial albatross. Two years ago, Time magazine named "you" its Person of the Year for doing your small part in fueling the Web 2.0 revolution. The magazine argued that by collecting and distributing the creations of millions of individuals, the Web is upending the way we learn about what's going on in the world around us. There's no doubt this is true; you experienced the presidential inauguration through millions of pictures captured by ordinary people, and a lot of what you learn these days comes from articles put together by the anonymous hordes who power Wikipedia. Yet even though they've changed the way we live, sites that collect and share content produced by all of us haven't done the one thing many tech evangelists said they'd do—make a ton of money. Or, in many cases, any money.


There's a simple reason for this: Advertisers don't like paying very much to support homemade photos and videos. As a result, the economics of user-generated sites are even more crushing than those of the newspaper business. At least newspapers see a proportional relationship between circulation and revenues—when the paper publishes great stories, it attracts more readers, and, in time, more advertisers.
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YouTube sells ads on fewer than 10 percent of its videos. Credit Suisse estimates that 375 million people around the world will play about 75 billion YouTube videos this year. To serve up all these streams, the company has to pay for a broadband connection capable of hurtling data at the equivalent of 30 million megabits-per-second—about 6 million times as fast as your home Internet connection. All this bandwidth costs Google $360 million a year, the analysts estimate. Then there's the cost of the videos themselves: Even though many of the site's most popular content is uploaded for free from users, Credit Suisse says YouTube spends about $250 million a year to acquire licenses to broadcast professionally produced videos. Add in all other expenses, and the cost of running YouTube for one year exceeds $700 million. But the company makes only a fraction of that back in advertising—about $240 million in revenues for 2009, according to the report.
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YouTube isn't alone in Poor House 2.0. Yahoo bought the popular photo-sharing site Flickr in 2005, and though the service might be marginally profitable, it certainly hasn't added appreciably to Yahoo's bottom line. (Yahoo similarly doesn't break out Flickr's financials.) Facebook provides an even better example. The social network is running up a huge tab to store and serve up all the photos, videos, and other junk you stuff into your profile. Last year, TechCrunch reported that Facebook spends $1 million a month on electricity, $500,000 a month on bandwidth, and up to $2 million per week on new servers to keep up with its users' insatiable photo-uploading needs. (Members post nearly a billion photos every month.) But Facebook gets relatively little in return for storing all your memories. Ad rates on its network are terribly low, the company doesn't make a profit, and it hasn't shed any light on how it will make good on investments that valued the company at $15 billion.



Surely they have to come up with some way to make money as the losses will just increase yoy with the current model, sure Google is mega rich but it just doesn't make business sense to lose this much money yoy on a mega site like Youtube

LiNuX
04-15-2009, 11:37 PM
ouch...huge losses, didn't think the costs would be so much - they could save a quarter billion if they didn't care about the professionally produced videos.

if google can come up with it's own internet connection, it could be cheaper to get the bandwidth they need (then again I have no idea how much that would cost)

stefan094
04-16-2009, 08:13 AM
ouch...huge losses, didn't think the costs would be so much - they could save a quarter billion if they didn't care about the professionally produced videos.

if google can come up with it's own internet connection, it could be cheaper to get the bandwidth they need (then again I have no idea how much that would cost)
They would need their own infrastructure (optic cables) for that, and that would cost much more than this. Existing cables are property of big phone or cable tv companies who are even trying to take money from Google and others for using their cables to make money, imagine what problems would google and youtube than have, they even formed coalition for free internet. For now only way in my opinion is for them to clear their memory caches from junk (and there's lots of it on youtube) that should give them some time to find new solution.

jakncoke
04-16-2009, 01:50 PM
(and there's lots of it on youtube)


eff that, watching really bad vids is funny. I hope they don't get a idea of deleting a person's vids if they haven't signed in for awhile or something that would cause old vids to get deleted cause I like watching vids that were adding 2-3 years ago

omgodzilla10
04-18-2009, 12:11 PM
500 million?
Wow. I hope YouTube doesn't go Bankrupt. I go on YouTube every day and that would suck.

jakncoke
04-18-2009, 12:17 PM
500 million?
Wow. I hope YouTube doesn't go Bankrupt. I go on YouTube every day and that would suck.

remember Google bought them for like 1.6 billion, and yes a internet without youtube is a internet I would not log on to, seeing they recently started adding good corporate content like 68 episodes of Married with Children, Cliffhanger, Toy Soldiers. If youtube left I'd defiantly know the pain the stage6 fanboys went through when it closed it doors

LiNuX
04-18-2009, 12:24 PM
remember Google bought them for like 1.6 billion, and yes a internet without youtube is a internet I would not log on to, seeing they recently started adding good corporate content like 68 episodes of Married with Children, Cliffhanger, Toy Soldiers. If youtube left I'd defiantly know the pain the stage6 fanboys went through when it closed it doors

I wouldn't be surprised if they started charging for certain types of usage - google is just trying to make youtube grow too much too quickly with the licensed productions and whatnot. if they stop that they'll probably save a LOT - it could cause a decrease in traffic but even then they'll save because their bandwidth costs would go down.

I used to like Stage6 too - wouldn't call myself a huge fan but I saw a lot of videos there. I didn't notice it shut down until like 3 weeks after it actually shut down.

Lazarius
04-20-2009, 02:49 PM
Well, I think that the disenchantment of YouTube does not help either! After a lot of corperations got involved and demanded that their content was removed due to copyright reasons and the bickering over censorship issues, people seem to be walking away and using it only to view media rather then actually make videos.

EpsilonX
04-21-2009, 08:06 PM
All so you can watch this helium-voiced oddball whenever you want.

fred's a douchebag

jakncoke
04-21-2009, 08:30 PM
Fred is so bad you just got to watch his vids to see how bad the next will be, I wonder how much he makes a month :amjealous: :/