Ind. cop struck by car, driver shot

[Jokersvirus]

Both women were hospitalized but are in stable condition; the driver faces aggravated battery and other charges

INDIANAPOLIS — Police shot a female driver in Indianapolis Sunday night after she struck a fellow officer with her vehicle.

Officers were responding to a nightclub disturbance, according to pal-item.com. The driver, 31-year-old Michelle Marsh struck the Officer Deanne Pulley as she drove away.

Both have been hospitalized but are in stable condition. Marsh will face aggravated battery and other charges.

The shooting comes just one week after Indianapolis officer David More was shot and killed. His funeral had to be rescheduled because of the weather.


With all that is going on in Indy Im not going to be surprise if police officers start walking up to vehicles with their weapons drawn. If things continue like this I would surely hope they do, as I dont want to see my brother harmed by some jerk off whos pissed at the world.

[Jaykub]

Yea that happens.. a lot. sad..

[leica]

i guess i'm not supposed to post in this thread, but i'd like to point out anyway that these people know they're at risk and it's nothing really surprising that they're being shot at.

[Jokersvirus]

i guess i'm not supposed to post in this thread, but i'd like to point out anyway that these people know they're at risk and it's nothing really surprising that they're being shot at.

So you wont care when they pull a weapon on you when approaching your vehicle just to make sure you arent stupid enough to pull something to harm him or her?

I say this because as you stated they are at risk so to make the situation more... controllable and in the control of the officer pulling a weapon and having it on standby sounds logical to me. I

[LiNuX]

The minute cops are allowed to walk up to any car with their weapons drawn, is the minute things will go to hell for them because people just won't trust them anymore.

And officers die on duty all the time but if you look at the national statistics, more officers commit suicide than are killed on duty.

So allowing officers to approach any car they want with their weapon drawn will be a very bad idea, especially from a community policing standpoint. And I'd say 99.9% of cars pulled over are routine. It's that .1% that's a pain.

And in this current situation, the officer was struck with the car, and the other officer was the one shooting. So cops getting shot at wasn't even the issue here.

[Jokersvirus]

The minute cops are allowed to walk up to any car with their weapons drawn, is the minute things will go to hell for them because people just won't trust them anymore.

And officers die on duty all the time but if you look at the national statistics, more officers commit suicide than are killed on duty.

So allowing officers to approach any car they want with their weapon drawn will be a very bad idea, especially from a community policing standpoint. And I'd say 99.9% of cars pulled over are routine. It's that .1% that's a pain.

And in this current situation, the officer was struck with the car, and the other officer was the one shooting. So cops getting shot at wasn't even the issue here.

Ya your right more officers lives are taken by their own hand than by a suspect. But community policing is kinda dead, police officers do all they can to try and improve relations but it goes to waste no matter what they do they will always be seen as the bad guy. There are no routine traffic stops to say routine would mean every stop is the same which they arent I hate when the word routine is used in law enforcement.

Officers arent trusted as it is, i dont know policies for your state linux but here if there is movement in the vehicle like lets say an officer pulls me over and before he gets out of his vehicle im moving around trying to get my paperwork out he can pull his weapon.

My suggestion is to pull his or her weapon till the situation is under their control, because thats what its all about having control over the situation so the officer doesnt get harmed.

[LiNuX]

Ya your right more officers lives are taken by their own hand than by a suspect. But community policing is kinda dead, police officers do all they can to try and improve relations but it goes to waste no matter what they do they will always be seen as the bad guy. There are no routine traffic stops to say routine would mean every stop is the same which they arent I hate when the word routine is used in law enforcement.

Officers arent trusted as it is, i dont know policies for your state linux but here if there is movement in the vehicle like lets say an officer pulls me over and before he gets out of his vehicle im moving around trying to get my paperwork out he can pull his weapon.

My suggestion is to pull his or her weapon till the situation is under their control, because thats what its all about having control over the situation so the officer doesnt get harmed.

I disagree that community policing is dead, since it was a recent implementation compared to most other tactics. If police start alienating themselves from the community, then the level of trust would go from whatever it is now to 0. That's basically what it was for the professional era from early to mid 1900s.

I also disagree that cops aren't trusted as it is. Well not here at least. I see people speaking to cops as if they'd talk to friends. I've done the same in the past. Sure, there are some cops that are complete jackasses, but there are a lot more cops that will get along with you than those that won't.

And routine does not equal every. Routine means most or a majority. To say every stop is a routine stop would be ridiculous because I know that's not how the world works.

And here, you're not allowed to move around if you get pulled over. Hands have to be on the steering wheel. But people still do move around (most of the time with good intentions to get the paperwork as quick as possible), and when it does happen, cops are allowed to unhook their gun and turn off their safety. And even in most cases like this, they don't even do that. They just walk up and tell the driver to stop moving and to look his way so he can get a good look at the face just in case.

And again I disagree with your suggestion to allow the officer to pull out his weapon until he gets control. Not all officers are saints. You do have a few dumbasses that will end up accidentally pulling the trigger or get too nervous and screw something up. And then it'll harm the police force a hell of a lot more because people will come out saying "they shouldn't have been allowed to have their weapon out in the first place"

So you'd have to look at all the factors, not just protecting some cops that may or may not get shot.

[Jokersvirus]

I disagree that community policing is dead, since it was a recent implementation compared to most other tactics. If police start alienating themselves from the community, then the level of trust would go from whatever it is now to 0. That's basically what it was for the professional era from early to mid 1900s.

I also disagree that cops aren't trusted as it is. Well not here at least. I see people speaking to cops as if they'd talk to friends. I've done the same in the past. Sure, there are some cops that are complete jackasses, but there are a lot more cops that will get along with you than those that won't.

And routine does not equal every. Routine means most or a majority. To say every stop is a routine stop would be ridiculous because I know that's not how the world works.

And here, you're not allowed to move around if you get pulled over. Hands have to be on the steering wheel. But people still do move around (most of the time with good intentions to get the paperwork as quick as possible), and when it does happen, cops are allowed to unhook their gun and turn off their safety. And even in most cases like this, they don't even do that. They just walk up and tell the driver to stop moving and to look his way so he can get a good look at the face just in case.

And again I disagree with your suggestion to allow the officer to pull out his weapon until he gets control. Not all officers are saints. You do have a few dumbasses that will end up accidentally pulling the trigger or get too nervous and screw something up. And then it'll harm the police force a hell of a lot more because people will come out saying "they shouldn't have been allowed to have their weapon out in the first place"

So you'd have to look at all the factors, not just protecting some cops that may or may not get shot.
Community policing here in my state is completely dead. I stated in another thread that my local police department did a "Shop with the cops" deal for several years, atleast 10 if not more. That just died out because of all the hatred that started to appear from one officer getting in trouble etc etc. Different states different tactics really. Alienation is occurring here I watch the news feeds on facebook regarding officers getting in trouble people will bash them senseless for hours on end but on the flip side when an officer dies the community does come together.

Thats the only real time people come together for police officers, it kinda goes back to the saying of "If you need you get here at the drop of the hat when I dont need you dont come near me." Ya you will have your complete jackass officers, but that can be from a number of reasons biggest two I can think of are a recruit fresh out of the academy with something to prove, and an officer who has been on the force for 20 years and is tired of the crap he or she takes. Second one I really dont mind cause they do see crap that is beyond words.


My suggestion is to prevent another David Moore situation in all honestly. If my city keeps having situations involving officers getting hurt left and right something will happen and it wont be pretty. Ya allowing some officers to have their weapons out and on standby they might pull the trigger, thats what the academy is for training, training, training. Cause honestly the day my brother is harmed on the job im going to go bat **** crazy and whip someone's ass so my suggestion is thinking about my brother too.

[LiNuX]

You're right, different state, different story. So all I can say is that maybe the way they incorporated community policing didn't work. I can tell you from speaking to community officers that it does work. I know at least three of them around here.

And training can prepare you a lot, but it can't give you the real experience. The level of adrenaline is very different.

And hopefully nothing happens to your brother though. You should tell him to be a cop here in NYC. It sounds tougher but the cops here already have most things under control.

[Jokersvirus]

I can tell you from the 4 years on this campus that we have bike cops and they stop and talk to us students I love it when they do it gives me that sense of protection but what kills that feeling are the police cadets, students who have no authority at all and act like they are cops its killed relations with the officers no doubt.

OH ya training can only go so far but when your in a situation where you cant think just act training plays a big part, you repeat an action so many times it will become second nature and you will do it without thinking.

Im thinking about going to New York to be a police officer, I think its long island just east of NYC that officers there make 150k plus a year which is pretty bad ass.

[LiNuX]

Long Island or New Jersey - you can make 6 figures yes. Cops in NYC don't make as much because there are so many of them (think 40,000 right now).

[Jokersvirus]

40k isnt bad police officers in Indiana out of the academy make 30k, 5 years on the force its around 35-38

to make around 150k a year for the department i want to get on i would have to be promoted over 12 times o.o

[LiNuX]

oh no, I wasn't saying 40,000 as in dollar amounts, I meant 40k current police officers employed by the city.

I think starting salary for cops here is around $33k. Well last I remember anyway.

[Jokersvirus]

Ahh I misunderstood my bad. But still I think a pay increase wouldnt hurt, with as high as taxes are around my area im pretty sure they got enough to give to local and some to state.

[Jayhmmz]

Long Island or New Jersey - you can make 6 figures yes. Cops in NYC don't make as much because there are so many of them (think 40,000 right now).

40,000!?

GEE-ZUS!