Duke Nukem Demo...

[Jokersvirus]

It really annoys me that the demo for DNF is a limited access one where you had to buy Borderlands GOTY edition to get a code to get it. Why not make it open to all its not like weve waited 15 years for this happen and some of us cant afford to buy many video games...

I Dont know this is something that should be open to the general pop of the gaming community until of the select who bough a game.

[EpsilonX]

I agree. They should put the demo up, people have been waiting ages for it and they wanna see if it's good. If you're confident in your demo you should put it up for everyone t play and then want to buy it. This is dumb.

[Synge]

I'll agree this is kinda lame, but it doesn't affect me at all personally cause I have no interest in this game :P

[Jokersvirus]

Im not sure if youve heard of Total Habiut. He became very famous because of his coverage of WoW: Cata. He did a review on DNF, he made some very legit points. Two of them are 1) only two weapons can be held at once, 2) No mighty foot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6MjzgTZriw&feature=channel_video_title

He does complain alot about dying, but that is because he put it on the hardest setting. It looks awesome, and I am going to try and get it for my birthday.

[Havoc]

I played the demo... it was short and the game is at most worth it for the witty humor.
The great awesome feel of the original Duke Nukem just isn't there, those 2 weapon shenanigans belong into crap like Call of Duty, Duke is not supposed to be realistic AT ALL.
I also had the very awkward feeling that they went a little over the top. I hope the final game won't consist 90% of puns and overdone wit. >.>

Oh right you remember how there are 1230912412e^99 games with regenerating health? Well yea welcome Duke to the club... >.<

[Jokersvirus]

As much as I hate to say it... It was going to happen that they were going to bring it into the new age of gaming. Im not sure why they didnt keep it old school, but nevertheless we got a duke game.

[Jayhmmz]

Ironically, it's a cheap tactic which will earn them more money. I do not agree, as I think it's awful that they're trying to squeeze even more money out of us... it's like they're not confident that the game will make mega-bucks.

[Jokersvirus]

All games we play nowadays that are FPS are all alike, regen health, two weapons, different methods to execute. I guess they believed that changing that would screw up. Not really sure what they were thinking

[Havoc]

I forgot to take a look at the files before I deleted the demo, but MAYBE the game will have some good modding potential... in which case we'll probably get classic mods sooner or later, with the awesome classic HUD(in HD), all weapons at once and regular health with health pickups :D

[Ilyich Valken]

I played the demo and it didn't leave a good impression at all. It felt like any other copy-cat, cookie cutter shooter nowadays.

Trying to integrate elements from CoD while still retaining Duke elements, and it just didn't work well. It got kind of boring, but there were several funny parts. It's probably a rental at most for me.

[Jayhmmz]

Even though the game looks good (texture and general visuals-wise), it still looks cheap. I don't think I will be getting this one - not even as a rental!

[Havoc]

A good friend has it on steam... I may go ahead and try it to see if it's worth anything. Maybe review it xD

[Ilyich Valken]

A good friend has it on steam... I may go ahead and try it to see if it's worth anything. Maybe review it xD

Do you mean the demo or the game?

[Havoc]

The game... (he pre-purchased it)

[Mordry]

I pre-ordered the game and I'm excited to download it finally at the 10th June on Steam (most because it's finally a ego-shooter game again which will not be censored in germany). It's understandable too about that Demo-Release only for the people who buyed the limited edition of Borderlands. It was too late to do the same thing like Piranha Bytes (for everyone, who buyed the limited edition of Risen, he may be a Beta-Tester for Risen 2).

Anyway we can be sad and happy for the Release of the new Duke Nukem Game:

Sad:
The running gag is over...

Happy:
The running gag is over...

[EpsilonX]

Well, the regenerating health is a MODERN element. The health bar is a thing of the past. These elements are all dated. I mean, i'm all for old school, but I think after however many years they'd want a modern game and not one that's stuck in the year they started to make it...

Besides, think of how many games copied goldeneye when that came out, or Halo when that came out?


but on the other hand...maybe everybody is hopin this would be like a throwback game. Idk, I don't miss health bars, cuz it's annoying to be right before a boss and low on health with no recovery items.

[Havoc]

Well see, there is the problem. I'm not saying regenerating health is all bad, but it makes games too easy. I think it is the main reason you can finish any new Call of Duty game on the hardest difficulty in one go. Those game are piss easy because you just need to hide behind a wall for 2 seconds and wait for the red jello to fall off your goggles. And while I know that placing magical on-contact medi-kits in convinient places along the levels doesn't belong into games like this, there are much better solutions.

Take FarCry2 for example: put the fact aside that is an open world game, it has a health bar segmented into 5 parts, each individual part will always regenerate if it has some power left, but only up to the last emptied bar. To actually get full health back, you need to use syringes you find in first-aid boxes, and you can carry around a bunch of them.
Or OF: Red River... you got hurt, you started bleeding, you'd have to stop the bleeding first, then patch up your wounds to regain health. That was a lenghty process during which your enemies could overrun you, so you had to consider all odds and decide whether to patch yourself up right away, or take the risk of killing the last few badguys and risk going down with the next bullet.

But back to the topic at hand: health meters.
Eps, if you'd have played the original Duke Nukem 3D, you'd know that game never let you run into a boss fight without getting your health somewhat up. Or take Half-Life and Half-Life 2 as example. Those games have usually well placed medi-kits before every major battle. Also remember, Duke Nukem 3D had an actual inventory in which you could always keep a MedKit that healed up to 200 HP and always only used up as much of its capacity as you needed to get back to full health. And a health booster that gave you 50 HP even if you were already at 100.(if I remember correctly)

Also the game is too easy on the lowest difficulty and any nublet without shooter experience can finish it without ever needing a single medkit. So I really think it was unnecessary to give duke regenerating health...

Oh right it's not health, it's "ego" because apparently bullets can't harm Duke... only hurt his ego a little. Which actually has a bar, but still regenerates. Can someone tell me how you die out of lack of ego? Because I didn't manage to run out of it in the Demo even tho I played on the highest possible difficulty.

But you really feel that this is a fan-game, a duke nukem game made by his fans, because this "bullets can't harm duke" and much more of the game is just filled with fanboy snot and saliva.

[EpsilonX]

So basically, the whole game is fan-service? And no, i've never played a Duke Nukem game before. I kinda like they've done with the newer Metal Gear Solid Games. You have a stamina bar, which, in 3 depletes over time and you have to eat to replenish it, or in 4 it depletes when ur in the hot sun or stress of combat for too long, and it replenishes if you, say, lay in the shade for a bit. But your health regenerates the more stamina you have, although it does it slowly. Your example of Far Cry 2 reminded me of some other game but I can't remember what....

(although, in metal gear solid portable ops, my first play through I got stuck right before a boss and all my guys had stamina AND health basically at the bottom and I had no recovery items...)

[Havoc]

Soooooooooo~ I've played the game today on mah buddies steam and frankly, I'm not gonna continue playing it nor will I buy it...

The game is pure fanservice and the kicker is... it doesn't deliver.
12 years wait didn't pay out imo. The game has some humor, some sex and is very very bold at that, but other than that it doesn't stand out from the crowd, quite contrary, it blends almost perfectly with the generic modern day shooter bulls*** that is being hurled our way. It's way too easy, even on the highest difficulty, and if you're a die-hard duke fan it'll keep you entertained for an hour or two... but that's it.

Seriously to increase your max health/ego you have to do stuff that makes it grow... like curling dumbbells or getting a decent score on pinball or playing several games of slot until you have a lineup... all good and well but breaks the flow and makes no sense.

Yup... fanservice.

[Jokersvirus]

Its duke nukem Havoc doesnt need to make sense all it needs is three things

1) babes
2) sexuality and sexual jokes
3) Duke Nukem. :)

[Jayhmmz]

Its duke nukem Havoc doesnt need to make sense all it needs is three things

1) babes
2) sexuality and sexual jokes
3) Duke Nukem. :)

I've heard from Duke fans that the game is actually awful though - it's kinda sad.

[Ilyich Valken]

Its duke nukem Havoc doesnt need to make sense all it needs is three things

1) babes
2) sexuality and sexual jokes
3) Duke Nukem. :)

But it wasn't Duke Nukem. It was just a regular modern shooter, taking cues from Call of Duty and other first person shooters with Duke and all the machismo that goes with it slapped on.

[Jokersvirus]

They expected it to be like the originals but it wasnt going to happen. They had their expectations high but when they shouldnt have been.

[Ilyich Valken]

They expected it to be like the originals but it wasnt going to happen. They had their expectations high but when they shouldnt have been.

This would be right, if it felt at all like Duke aside from his one-liners and sexual jokes. It felt like every other generic shooter out on the market.

[Jokersvirus]

With duke nukem not being what it once was and game developers following the current treand of video games, such as Halo, CoD, Bullet Storm, what have you, they were not going to go outside the box and take Nukem back to his roots they were going to go with the current flow of gaming and make it like the other games out on the market.

You can give games health bars and what not but you will hear people complain and cry saying its not right. No matter the situation there will be people who will knock on Duke for many different reasons, one being its like any other game out there, two its not like the orginial etc etc.

Well in all honestly... What did you expect them to do? They were going to make an up to date game and they did, the public wanted this for 12 years and they finally got it. I would say be happy with what you got because they could have dropped it and told you to shut up about it.

[Ilyich Valken]

With duke nukem not being what it once was and game developers following the current treand of video games, such as Halo, CoD, Bullet Storm, what have you, they were not going to go outside the box and take Nukem back to his roots they were going to go with the current flow of gaming and make it like the other games out on the market.

You can give games health bars and what not but you will hear people complain and cry saying its not right. No matter the situation there will be people who will knock on Duke for many different reasons, one being its like any other game out there, two its not like the orginial etc etc.

Well in all honestly... What did you expect them to do? They were going to make an up to date game and they did, the public wanted this for 12 years and they finally got it. I would say be happy with what you got because they could have dropped it and told you to shut up about it.

Honestly, that probably would've been the better route to go. There's nothing wrong with holding the developer (most of the team of which, helped make the Duke Nukem 3D) to a standard. The game is just a generic shooter with the name and likeness of Duke slapped on. It doesn't feel like Duke Nukem in the slightest, especially only being able to carry two weapons at a time.

[Jokersvirus]

They are being held at a standard it is the standard we know today of the regen health, 2 weapons. Thats what I said in my last post pretty much they are not going to go away from the norm for this game, which they should have I will agree fully, but they were not.

All they did is update it to the 2011 standards and it happens

[Ilyich Valken]

They are being held at a standard it is the standard we know today of the regen health, 2 weapons. Thats what I said in my last post pretty much they are not going to go away from the norm for this game, which they should have I will agree fully, but they were not.

All they did is update it to the 2011 standards and it happens

Yeah, they are being held to a standard, and they didn't meet it. They threw out everything that made Duke, Duke. It's nothing like the old games, it took on features that millions of shooters do to try and be popular and ultimately fail because of. DNF was bad. I could tell that from playing a 20 minute demo. The entire game is going to be like that. It wasn't fun in the least.

[Jokersvirus]

Some will like how the game is some wont. Im planning on still getting it and what not but too much hate going around. as I said people had their expectations too damn high and when it finally comes out people get mad over it. I dont care about the 2 weapons only, People enjoyed bulletstorm that had 2 weapons and regen health, people enjoy Halo that has regen health. If you really think about it this is a reboot game because of the long wait and what not.

[Jayhmmz]

My friend has been playing this game for a few hours and he has almost completed it, ha! He wasn't even trying.