Terror attack in Norway. [Archive]

LiNuX

07-22-2011, 10:07 PM

That's terrible. The guy is Norwegian too.

"He asked people to gather round and then he started shooting, so these young people fled into the bushes and woods and some even swam off the island to get to safety."

And he was dressed like a police officer. Stuff like this grinds my gears.

Exentenzed

07-22-2011, 10:34 PM

Yea, it's horrible, the youth camp was filled with teenagers from 15-20ish of age.
He brutally murdered kids, up close, with a machine gun!!! :@

Some speculates in his motives beeing political, but nothing is certain just yet.

The media released the guy's name and facebook threads are popping up everywhere with a link to his profile.

egg-whites333

07-22-2011, 11:12 PM

who would do that its like they have nothing that makes them feel bad

Jokersvirus

07-23-2011, 12:18 AM

Their terrorist EGW, they only care about their wants and desires anyone in their way is nothing more than cattle to be slaughtered for their goals.

Psychotray

07-23-2011, 12:24 AM

How could you do that, kill/injure all those people without feeling any doubt or sadness.
Its just ridiculous, stupid, and idiotic to do that, or want to do that to innocent people, its just an average day in life, and someone comes along and bombs, its so stupid -.-

egg-whites333

07-23-2011, 12:29 AM

but still its just so terible

Jokersvirus

07-23-2011, 12:33 AM

It is sad and pathetic to do such things to other humans for whatever purpose, but terrorism has became a mainstream tactic in the past years as a means for change. Terrorism is no longer a last ditch effort to get change it is now the primary tactic for forcing change. I guess people dont have the ability to sit down and discuss issues, which is why I believe humanity is going down the tubes at an alerting rate.

Blackleo

07-23-2011, 12:37 AM

I was at work while scrolling through MSN, closing and opening MF (MSN is my Homepage) When the Breaking News shows up of the Terrorist attack, first it was on the Politicians bombing, then I read that it was also a camp.

How ****ed up is that ? For Terrorist to hit a Political building is one thing, making a point, your angry at the politicians yadayadayada.

But to go after a Camp full of children and shoot at them goes beyond terrorism, it's pure EVIL. I have a lil sister that goes to a Day-Camp and I rather not imagine something like this would be released on children ... but the sad truth is that it is ... why ?

Their is so much evil in this world, and it's not being taken care of. It's let loose like an animal that is believed to be controlled ... whose doing the controlling ?

egg-whites333

07-23-2011, 12:57 AM

lets put it like this the world is fd up and know matter how many terrorists we kill or lock up they will keep fighting example osama dead but alkida will keep fighting

Jokersvirus

07-23-2011, 01:04 AM

The thing about terrorist is that you kill one hundreds will they that persons place this is a war we cant win but we can prevent attacks if countries stay alert.

egg-whites333

07-23-2011, 01:11 AM

yes but the world cantbe fully protected but if they treated most weapons like nukes there would be way less weapons these people could get.

Jokersvirus

07-23-2011, 01:17 AM

In all honestly the world will never be fully protected countries need to look out for themselves and start homeland security programs

egg-whites333

07-23-2011, 01:20 AM

very true they cant relie on usand big conuntries to help em out i wish i could say canada but there ushaly after it happens they fix all the stuff were like the clean up crew but the world wont get much safer than it is right now might be a bit better though

MortenNS

07-23-2011, 01:26 AM

This mother*****er Anders Behring planted bombs in Oslo than he went to an AUF camp (teen camp for something) where I was thinking about going, but I was too lazy to go. But my bestfriend went there, and Anders Behring shows up in cop uniform tells them to gather around, and then he shoots them, 87 children/teenagers have been found. My bestfriend managed to escape in a boat with a few others while he shoot at the boat...The horror, still funny that laziness saved me

Synge

07-23-2011, 01:35 AM

^ The count is up to 87 now? Wow.. It's good that your friend was able to get out okay though.

Exentenzed

07-23-2011, 06:40 AM

So far the numbered of kids murdered on the island is 84! :(

And the fatalities of the bomb in the capital was 7. Many are gravely injured.
This the guy probably knew that in event of a suspected terror attack in norway, most of the civil services would rush to the site in question, which game him time to go to the island and start his massacre.

Anyway, updated news here: Scores killed in norway attacks. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356)

HamadaLFC8

07-23-2011, 08:55 AM

But why Norway ? It's such a peaceful place isn't it ??? :s and I heard that the terrorist belonged to some Neo Nazi Group, is that right?

RIP to all people who lost their lives :(

Exentenzed

07-23-2011, 10:00 AM

But why Norway ? It's such a peaceful place isn't it ??? :s

We have been marked as a target due to our participation in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Scandinavia as a whole was also threathened some years back when certain people in the media drew up a picture of muhammed and put him in a comic strip or something like that.

and I heard that the terrorist belonged to some Neo Nazi Group, is that right?

As linux said, the guy is a Norwegian...
Rumors is going around that he do have connections to neo nazi's and something about him having something against our current government.

In all honestly the world will never be fully protected countries need to look out for themselves and start homeland security programs

Well some here in Norway has the oppinion that the U.S went to far in their heightened security, and that it provoked allready traumatized/upset US citizens. And again, some norwegians are worried that this attack will lead to extremely heightened security.

Then again i must also say that Norway have had low security, and rather focuses on what to do if/when such attacks occur.

Muffincat

07-25-2011, 04:28 PM

There are pictures (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/07/tragedy-in-norway/100113/) if anyone is interested in that kind of thing. Some of them are very graphic (but the most graphic makes you have to click on it in order to see it, so you can avoid it if you wish)... there are some very touching photos of a tribute area with flowers/candles, though.

A lot of them are kind of horrifying, but that's what this whole situation is... Sometimes things like this can help put things in more perspective. Sometimes it can be tasteless, but I don't think it is in this particular case.

This whole situation is just awful. I'll never understand some people.

Jayhmmz

07-25-2011, 05:37 PM

Samus-Fan

07-25-2011, 09:35 PM

No one mentioned that it took 90 minutes for cops to arrive after shots were fired....
I have large sympathy for the people but none for the government. It's more reason why each country needs an army and police officers...
Also, if someone has a concealed carry permit, get him while he was reloading...could have ended the whole thing.
Anti-gun doesn't stop criminals, and this is proof to that.
R.I.P. to the people that lost their lives due to the countries policies and laws

Koudelka

07-25-2011, 09:39 PM

I made a comment regarding how the man was apparently Christian and white. Lots of people in the United States stereotype Arabic Muslims as the only ones capable of being terrorists. I highly doubt they'll stop such discrimination or that white Christians will be known for being terrorists from now on.

It just goes to show that extremists definitely don't represent an entire group of people.

Muffincat

07-25-2011, 09:39 PM

Here's (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/24/oslo-terror-attacks-leaky-police-boat_n_907986.html) an article that talks about the actual reasons it took so long for the police to come out.

You have to remember he set a bomb off elsewhere and went on a rampage on this island... they were probably stretched fairly thin. A lot of people died in both incidents.

edit: also, in addition to Koudelka's comment, not only was he white and Christian, from what I have heard, he was trying to kill these left-wing kids so they wouldn't contribute to the "problem" of races intermingling (when they grew up), especially Muslims...

Samus-Fan

07-25-2011, 09:46 PM

So they have a single, crappy boat that can't carry enough officers, one helicopter 60 km from the base, and their police waited to move in. Doesn't sound like good reasons.

Muffincat

07-25-2011, 09:49 PM

It's really easy to criticize things that you don't fully understand. It's way more complicated than you're making it out to be. It's not like they were just sitting there laughing at how children were dying...

They were under prepared, but you're never really going to be prepared for a situation like this. There's a lot of confusion and you have to handle things delicately.

Most countries probably wouldn't have responded better.

Samus-Fan

07-25-2011, 09:52 PM

Anyone think they'll change their anti-gun policies? They didn't seem to help much

Jokersvirus

07-25-2011, 10:01 PM

It seems terror attacks is when the government becomes reactive. Some governments need to become proactive in terrorism prevention, cant prevent everything this is unreasonable but taking steps to prevent something is better.

Also, if someone has a concealed carry permit, get him while he was reloading...could have ended the whole thing.
Anti-gun doesn't stop criminals, and this is proof to that.

I must disagree with this, im not against guns I love them to death, However just because someone has a firearm on them doesnt mean they would be prepared to use it, and in a terror situation where people are fleeing and you're trying to hit one man its more likely you would hit an innocent bystander than the shooter themselves. I agree the 90 minutes was crazy but the police were over 80 miles away which I believe they will change up tactics, if they are wise, and move that anti terror unit across the entire island in small groups.

Exentenzed

07-26-2011, 12:07 AM

I belive certain security protocols will be established to prevent this from happening again, but it sincerely hope it dosen't go too far, i personally dont want heightened security to become a constant reminder of what happened.

I also hope that ALL our policies will be unaffected to show that the only thing such attacks will result in, is all of us becoming stronger and more united.
Im not only talking about us norwegians now, I've seen pictures of people all over the world leaving flowers at the norwegian embassies, and when i saw those pictures, im not afraid to say that a tear came to my eye. Because you can see the entire world streching out to console a country just like a person would their family.
(I was to young to realise this back when the attack on the trade center happened.)

Our courts will probably sentence him to 30 years of imprisonment under the charge of crimes against humanity. (Norway has a max prison sentence of 21 years for crimes, the exception to this is war crimes and crimes against humanity.)

Jokersvirus

07-26-2011, 12:13 AM

Samus-Fan

07-26-2011, 12:42 AM

Our courts will probably sentence him to 30 years of imprisonment under the charge of crimes against humanity. (Norway has a max prison sentence of 21 years for crimes, the exception to this is war crimes and crimes against humanity.)

30 years for over 80 deaths?
That's not even justice for what he did.

Exentenzed

07-26-2011, 02:28 AM

Well the problem is exent that there will always be a constant reminder of what happened, might be through security might be through other means but in all honestly you have to remember what happen to justify your future actions.

Well, we are going to remember it nevertheless, and dont need more to remind us about it. I dont want us to be turned into a semi police state. I strongly belive that would ultimately lead to unrest amongst the population and in making the act of terror successful.

I belive i read somewhere that our politicians encourages us to continue with our ordinary life immediately (NOT saying that we shouldnt mourn the dead) to show them that they can't destroy our way of life.

Also, i might have misunderstood you, but why would we feel the need to justify any future actions? The attack changes NOTHING. If it did, they would win.

30 years for over 80 deaths?
That's not even justice for what he did.

Well you have the 30 years and then they will probably keep him in custody since he's a danger to society. You know, legal code and all their loop holes. :P also, the total count is in the 90's now.

Jokersvirus

07-26-2011, 03:32 AM

Becoming a police state is something no one wants but you did ask the government to protect us and do right for us as our elected officals etc etc. What I mean by remembering what happen to justify your future actions is that people will lose sight of why the government is doing what is it in regards to security protocols, more this, more that.

Exentenzed

07-26-2011, 04:16 AM

Becoming a police state is something no one wants but you did ask the government to protect us and do right for us as our elected officals etc etc.

True, but the fact is, if someone REALY wants to do an act of terror, they can.
Of course some could fail if security is increased but eventually the most determined would be able to complete such a task, and they are usually the ones insane enough to even think about something like that in the first place.

So the question is, how far would you go to protect you're people?
To increase security nationwide, sacrifices will have to be made, so what lines does one cross and which dosen't one?

Jokersvirus

07-26-2011, 05:43 AM

There is no right answer to how far someone should go to protect people. In my honest opinion the leader should go as far as need be without turning it into a police state and taking away the rights of the people. You increase security people will hate it because there is an old saying there is a pendulum swinging between national security and the right of the people. It will never be dead even between the two and I honestly believe it should be more towards national security at the moment due to the attacks.

Exentenzed

07-26-2011, 02:00 PM

I can respect that oppinion. :)

XnewxskinX

07-26-2011, 04:19 PM

This is really sad... All those people who lost their lives because one person decided to go "postal". I think what is worse is when the person decides in the end to take their own life. I think it is a slap in the face. At least he will spend his years sitting behind bars. Hopefully the people who are with him are not so nice to a child murderer.

Muffincat

07-26-2011, 04:42 PM

I don't know how Norway making gun laws or anything would have prevented this from happening in the first place.

Someone could easily place a bomb here in the US in a random location and we wouldn't be able to respond properly... And, even though we allow people to have guns, no one at a kid's day camp would ever carry one.

We've had a lot of massacres in the US and it's not like we handled them any better. And having more lax gun laws has only increased our chances of having shootings happen... We've had to increase the security of our gun laws because of things like school shootings, and they are still easy to get a hold of.

I think this kind of situation is pretty much impossible to prepare for. What could they really have done? Who would think that someone would come and massacre a bunch of children after bombing somewhere else? You'd have to have increased security at every single place where people ever gather :/ It was also more difficult in this situation because the kids were on an island. I'm sure if it had been in a less remote location, it would have been handled more quickly.

It was honestly really good planning on the criminal's part. Create a diversion to get your real goal done... It's really tragic, but I don't think that the US would have necessarily responded better in a similar situation.

Jokersvirus

07-26-2011, 05:16 PM

In all honestly I would say have Norway talk to the US on plans or ideas to be thrown around on trying to better security without taking away rights.

Exentenzed

07-26-2011, 06:07 PM

Almost all european contries have done that since 9/11...

LiNuX

07-26-2011, 07:02 PM

Well you have the 30 years and then they will probably keep him in custody since he's a danger to society. You know, legal code and all their loop holes. :P also, the total count is in the 90's now.

They don't stack punishments/penalties in Norway?

In the US, you'd get 30 years for each person. That's why sometimes you hear some people getting sentenced for like 600 years.

Jokersvirus

07-26-2011, 07:06 PM

If that happened in the US they should take him out back and shoot him like an injured animal and call it a day.

So i saw this article on my Facebook feed and they say this is probably where the shooter will be sent. Look through all the photos.

Inside the World's Most Humane Prison - Photo Essays - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083_2144218,00.html)

paecmaker

07-29-2011, 06:58 PM

I wish I could have responded to this thread earlier.

I was really shocked when I heard about this first. First the bombing and then the shooting. Norway is one of our closest neighbours so the act got very high inpact all over sweden to. And some also thought back to the stockholm bomber and how it would be if he didnt fail.

That I feel both horrible and in some way good is that he was a norwegian. Let me explain, That how could he do that to his own people AND to youths. The relativly good thing is that he was "probably" working alone and was not in al qaida.

Now that is also scary, who knows how many more people making own bombs in their own appartments and rooms.