LAG suxx

[StevePresley]

I am having problems playing a few games, either on or offline. I get lag for about 8-10 seconds then its ok for about 20 seconds, then back to lag. I have changed and updated bios, motherboard drivers, Nvidea drivers and Realtek drivers. The games are Need for Speed Underground, Need for Speed Pro Street, Combat Arms and Hot Rod Garage to Glory. Now whats strange is Halo plays fine, I can turn up the res and graphics ALL the way. But the others....gah !!! I'm even using a new beta driver from Nvidea. Perhaps I haven't thought of the obvious....and ANY ideas will be greatly appreciated !
System specs
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 3 AuthenticAMD ~3013 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 0503, 3/26/2008
Total Physical Memory 2,048.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.50 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 3.85 GB
Asus M2N-MX-SE plus Motherboard
Nvidea 8600GT video card
Realtek HD onboard Audio

[LiNuX]

your computer seems like it can hold the games but what hard drive do you have? it could be a hard drive corruption issue, I would say wipe the hard drive if it's a recent issue because it could be that the hard drive isn't storing the data properly or slows down when storing and sending saved data to the ram.

OR it can be a RAM issue, one ram card could be failing, this is probably more likely than the hard drive issue, i had that happen to me on my server before, had to replace one card.

[StevePresley]

those are two things I hadn't thought of....
Harddrive is a WesternDigital 140 gig
and I may try the ram change, since I have two extra stix that I don't have slots for. But this issue has been there since day one, I built this system back in May.

[LiNuX]

those are two things I hadn't thought of....
Harddrive is a WesternDigital 140 gig
and I may try the ram change, since I have two extra stix that I don't have slots for. But this issue has been there since day one, I built this system back in May.

ah.

it could still be a ram issue even if its from day 1.

what's your power source and how much power does it have? could be that its not sending enough power to your mobo to run this all, there are a LOT of things that can go wrong but only a few easy ways to get it, usually with software testers and i have no idea where to get those for free...or paid actually lol, never looked it up before

[StevePresley]

power source is 450 watts
tried new ram and the problem still exists
I may have to call in the GeekSquad sad 2 say

[LiNuX]

wait you have a 450 watt power source for Geforce 8600GT and 2 gigs of ram? with a hard drive and probably an optical drive.

my guess right now is that you aren't sending enough power to your motherboard and its parts so it lags to get the power. Since it's with games, your graphics card may not be getting the power it needs.

I have the same GPU as you except its overclocked and I have a 700 watt Power source unit.

It's just a guess, i could be wrong, but the only way to know is to change the PSU to a higher wattage and see if it fixes, if it doesn't then I am wrong lol. Doubt you want to go and spend money on a new PSU

[StevePresley]

well money isn't really an object here
cuz I want the games to work properly
(I HATE substandardness)
so if I spend $70 for a 650 watt PSU do ya think that'd be enough ?

[LiNuX]

well money isn't really an object here
cuz I want the games to work properly
(I HATE substandardness)
so if I spend $70 for a 650 watt PSU do ya think that'd be enough ?

650 watt should be good, you only have 2 ram cards in there right?

what brand is it? and model? you have to look at how much power they suck up, you can't really pick the "exact" wattage to use, you just have to guess based on the components you have.

and it only happens when you play games right?

and by the way, I MAY be wrong, so if you go through with this, don't come pointing fingers :) i only try to help as best as I can from my end without any first hand experience with your problems, I've faced these problems in the past and there is always more than one solution, i am just telling you what I think now

[StevePresley]

nah I'd never point fingers, it isn't like a PSU is useless
to me it's an upgrade
so maybe I'll go 800 watts
just to be sure

arh arh ARH !! MORE POWER !!

[LiNuX]

well 600 watts should do, i have a 550 watt psu in my server right now, requires a lot of power for the mobo and stuff and i am probably under utilizing it - 800 watt will be more than enough, later on you can add more powerful ram or even get a brand new motherboard, get the GeForce 9800gt gpu and everything :D

have fun upgrading and let us know if you have any more questions

[StevePresley]

750W Continuous @ 40C (825W Peak)
Up to 90% (10dB) Less Noise per Watt
NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX)
High Efficiency (83%); .99 Active PFC
+12VDC @ 60A (Powerful Single Rail)
Rock-Solid, Super-Clean DC Output
24-pin, 8-pin, 4-pin M/B Connectors
Quad PCI-E and 15 Drive Connectors
Automatic Fan Speed Control Circuit


this is the one I am getting
fire engine red :)
I'll let you know if this is the fix
if not, then I have a spare PSU
which isn't an altogether bad thing to have
Thanx for all the help Linux !!

[LiNuX]

that sounds pretty good :D and yeah, i currently have no spare PSU's lol, just save that to build a cheap computer later and sell it on ebay or something lol, it'll work :D

and yeah, let me know if it works, if it doesn't i'll try to see what else it can be

[StevePresley]

changed power supply to a 750watt Silencer
No dice, same as before.
Any other ideas people ?

[LiNuX]

changed power supply to a 750watt Silencer
No dice, same as before.
Any other ideas people ?

crap...well first, sorry for the misguide but i just spoke from past experiences

second, it goes back to my ram issue, what ram cards do you have? a model number will be nice since i can look up the timing of it.

did you install the OS yourself? usually reinstalling the OS after wiping the hard drive solves a lot of problems but I can't say it'll solve this one - i fixed my little sister's computer by wiping the hdd and reinstalling xp but it had OS related issues so its a different problem than yours

but i'll try to do some research and see if i can find another fix to this

[StevePresley]

RAM is OCZ Technology
p/n:OCZ2N800SR2GK
PC2 6400

may have to reformat I suppose :(

[LiNuX]

ram is good...reformatting isn't that bad lol, i do it every once in a while just to get a fresh start. The RAM is 2.2 volts each so they are power demanding and the new PSU could have helped out on that side, don't know why it isn't helping with the games

[StevePresley]

Hey Linux !!
Reformatted.....no dice
removed video card GeForce8600GT and went with onboard GeForce6150SE
problem solved, plays fine. Now is that strange or what ???

[LiNuX]

Hey Linux !!
Reformatted.....no dice
removed video card GeForce8600GT and went with onboard GeForce6150SE
problem solved, plays fine. Now is that strange or what ???

very strange because no one can convince me the 6150 is better than the 8600gt...

maybe it was the gpu hardware not being able to read the graphics properly, but I haven't heard of many people with the 8600gt with the same problem as you. usually if there is a GPU problem, your whole graphics would be messed up, not just in games, but who knows...very weird indeed lol

I think since i love the 8600gt so much, I skipped that as being the problem subconsciously.

of course back then 8600gt was great when i got it, now its meh...9800gt is out and it rox

[StevePresley]

If u are still watching this thread Linux, I was wrong. Gameplay was fine for 5 minutes the BAM back to lag, or stuttering. People tell me I look like I am moonwalking. I been busy or I would have replied sooner.

I found this forum through a friend and maybe you can't help me with this. My problem is lag while gaming, either off or online. I expierience a slowdown for about 10 seconds, then it's fine for 10 seconds. I have reformatted 4 times, I have taken out my onboard sound, taken out my video card, taken out ALL windows updates, changed RAM sticks and changed power supplies.I have updated the BIOS and all drivers also. I ran the Spybot program and there are no issues, I ran a program called " Hijack This " and will post the results here.
My system info is :
OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
Activation Status Activation Pending (28 days remaining)
System Name OUTLAWZ
System Manufacturer System manufacturer
System Model System Product Name
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 3 AuthenticAMD ~3013 Mhz
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 3 AuthenticAMD ~3013 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 0503, 3/26/2008
SMBIOS Version 2.5
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\System32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920)"
Total Physical Memory 2,048.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.57 GB
Total Virtual Memory 5.85 GB
Available Virtual Memory 4.91 GB
Page File Space 3.85 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

Hijack This results :
Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 9:00:57 PM, on 9/13/2008
Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\csrss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\aawservice.exe
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe
C:\WINDOWS\RTHDCPL.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\System32\RUNDLL32.EXE
C:\Program Files\Logitech\iTouch\iTouch.exe
C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsTray.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\Apache Group\Apache2\bin\apache.exe
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\bin\nSvcLog.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\Apache Group\Apache2\bin\apache.exe
C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsAuxs.exe
C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsSvc.exe
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\bin\nSvcIp.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\wpabaln.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Steve\Desktop\HiJackThis.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\wbem\wmiprvse.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = MSN.com (http://v11.www.msn.com/defaulta.aspx)
F2 - REG:system.ini: Shell=explorer.exe "C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\wmsncs.exe"
O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RTHDCPL] RTHDCPL.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SkyTel] SkyTel.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Alcmtr] ALCMTR.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\System32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\System32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [zBrowser Launcher] C:\Program Files\Logitech\iTouch\iTouch.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ISTray] "C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsTray.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Wmsncs Service] C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\wmsncs.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvidMediaCenter] C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\wmsncs.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Spool Driver Service] C:\WINDOWS\System32\spool\drivers\wmsncs.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Wins Service] C:\WINDOWS\System32\wins\wmsncs.exe
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\Run: [Wmsncs Service] C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\wmsncs.exe (User 'SYSTEM')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\Run: [NvidMediaCenter] C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\wmsncs.exe (User 'SYSTEM')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\Run: [Spool Driver Service] C:\WINDOWS\System32\spool\drivers\wmsncs.exe (User 'SYSTEM')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\Run: [Wins Service] C:\WINDOWS\System32\wins\wmsncs.exe (User 'SYSTEM')
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\Run: [Wmsncs Service] C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\wmsncs.exe (User 'Default user')
O4 - Global Startup: wmsncs.exe
O9 - Extra button: Related - {c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} - C:\WINDOWS\web\related.htm
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Show &Related Links - {c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} - C:\WINDOWS\web\related.htm
O23 - Service: Lavasoft Ad-Aware Service (aawservice) - Lavasoft - C:\Program Files\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\aawservice.exe
O23 - Service: Forceware Web Interface (ForcewareWebInterface) - Apache Software Foundation - C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\Apache Group\Apache2\bin\apache.exe
O23 - Service: ForceWare IP service (nSvcIp) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\bin\nSvcIp.exe
O23 - Service: ForceWare user log service (nSvcLog) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\bin\nSvcLog.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe
O23 - Service: PC Tools Auxiliary Service (sdAuxService) - PC Tools - C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsAuxs.exe
O23 - Service: PC Tools Security Service (sdCoreService) - PC Tools - C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsSvc.exe

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End of file - 4203 bytes

ANY IDEAS WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED ! !

[LiNuX]

wow...im stumped :( there isn't a lot of other things to my knowledge that can cause in game lag - the GPU, RAM, CPU, PSU - the major players here, you have a great processor so its not a problem there, otherwise your whole pc would lag, u said you chnaged ram, psu, and gpu

it can't be a hard drive issue or an OS issue because more would lag, definitely not a cd rom issue or motherboard...

i will try to see if i can find something on this because right now im scratching my head on this one.

and the friend that referred you probably got the help he/she needed lol, im usually good at that too, i just can't explain this one for some reason - but something tells me i must know the solution for the future

[StevePresley]

as you know any ideas or help you can give are appreciated Linux !

[StevePresley]

and heres another thing.....Safely Remove Hardware is ALWAYS wanting me to remove my Hard Drive, every time I have reformatted (5 times) the computer is wanting me to safely remove my Western Digital Hard Drive

[LiNuX]

and heres another thing.....Safely Remove Hardware is ALWAYS wanting me to remove my Hard Drive, every time I have reformatted (5 times) the computer is wanting me to safely remove my Western Digital Hard Drive

oO - that means it was disabled...happens when i plug in my ipod and click the eject button in itunes, says i can safely remove it

that's weird, never heard of a hard drive lagging in game and being fine everywhere else, if a hard drive lags, it lags everything, came with the processor. stuff like the graphics card and ram cards - they are worked more when programs are put to use, hard drives are just for storage, when ur running a program, it switches over to ram.

very weird problem..

[rebootblue]

Ask Rodney Caston to build you a 1337 b0><. Those things would ROCK!

[StevePresley]

thats a great idea
But I believe my system is good enough
once I get this bug out anywayz

[StevePresley]

OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 3 AuthenticAMD ~3013 Mhz
Processor AMD Athlon™ X2 Dual-Core
Model Number 6000+
Frequency (MHz) 3000
L2 Cache Size (KB) 1024
Socket AM2
Stepping F3
Manufacturing Tech (CMOS) 90nm SOI
Wattage (W) 125 W
System Bus (MHz) 2000
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 0503, 3/26/2008
SMBIOS Version 2.5
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)"
Total Physical Memory 2,048.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.53 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 3.85 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

Name NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0402&SUBSYS_40161682&REV_A1\4&52EDC45&0&0048
Adapter Type GeForce 8600 GT, NVIDIA compatible
Adapter Description NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
Adapter RAM 256.00 MB (268,435,456 bytes)
Installed Drivers nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version 6.14.11.6218
INF File oem6.inf (nv4_WSApps_NV3x section)
Color Planes 1
Color Table Entries 4294967296
Resolution 1280 x 1024 x 60 hertz
Bits/Pixel 32
Memory Address 0xDF000000-0xDFFFFFFF
Memory Address 0xC0000000-0xCFFFFFFF
Memory Address 0xDC000000-0xDFFFFFFF
I/O Port 0x0000EC00-0x0000EC7F
IRQ Channel IRQ 18
I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB
I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\nv4_mini.sys (6.14.11.6218, 6.49 MB (6,807,328 bytes), 6/28/2007 11:43 AM)

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[LiNuX]

it all looks good so thats why its so puzzling to why its just lagging in game.

[Metallica1983]

do you play online with people at all because it may be a connection issue or does this happen offline as well because i know my xbox 360 was having the same problems and it turned out to be a connection issue with my router and XBL

[LiNuX]

do you play online with people at all because it may be a connection issue or does this happen offline as well because i know my xbox 360 was having the same problems and it turned out to be a connection issue with my router and XBL

he said its online and offline...so i ruled out internet connection a while ago :) feel free to read the rest of the posts rather than assuming :)

[StevePresley]

ok I downloaded AMD Fusion for gaming
it cut down my 2nd CPU usage amount quite a bit
but my lag is still there, just somewhat better

[LiNuX]

ok I downloaded AMD Fusion for gaming
it cut down my 2nd CPU usage amount quite a bit
but my lag is still there, just somewhat better

i doubt its your CPU anyway...your whole pc would lag if it was that

i think my own ram is failing lol...or its firefox trying to tick me off - but no lag